Friday, November 30, 2007
Where's Waldo: Justin Edition
You can find me walking past around the 7:20 mark.
Understand, I don't make fun of these people! It saddens me to see these methods used. I listened to them and just shook my head saying: "and that's one BIG reason why a lot of people here/I know don't go to church and don't want to be a Christian...because this is what they think of!" It hurts me so to think of the means that they chose to spread their "good news". Yelling at people they're going to hell as they walked by (because to many, that was all they heard), is not what I would consider good news. The second preacher even told me that Rob Bell doesn't love me?!!? I never thought he did... but I guess he thought I needed to know that for sure. It's OK Rob... my life is not dependent on your love!!!! I'm not angry with you:)
However I was told immediately after that that God indeed was angry with me, but God loved me (I guess in response to where Rob doesn't??). Interesting message! I think I'll stick with thinking more on the main event that night: the depth and beauty of Rob's message! I really don't agree with what these guys say about Rob's content... but what can you do? I do give them props for the dramatic Star Wars style crawl at the beginning. And Its always good to be reminded that everyone there was damned to hell... always a crowd-pleaser!
P.S. Some of the comments on the YouTube vid. page are worth the read. I really like that people pat these guys on the back for "speaking the truth in love". I found nothing loving in my experience with them. One was even offered a hug by the guy standing beside me, and the preacher in blue pushed him away! Man! Perhaps I should go back and study what the bible means when it says "speak the truth in love". I'll get back on that one!
In Repair (pt 7): Offering
Wednesday, November 28, 2007
A Cold and Broken Hallelujah
This is one of the most covered songs (originally by Leonard Cohen)...Alison and I were discussing why it is covered by so many people when we saw this on the HD Music Channel. I have to say that I'm a big Bon Jovi fan (well, at least back in the day...not so much their new stuff), and this rendition fits his voice well!
The most famous version of the song is by Jeff Buckley, as heard in such Movies as Shrek and TV Shows as House, which is interesting since it is a pretty explicit song in its sexual imagery!
Hallelujah
I've heard there was a secret chord
That David played, and it pleased the Lord
But you don't really care for music, do you
It goes like this: the fourth, the fifth
The minor fall, the major lift
The baffled king composing Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Your faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew you
She tied you to a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Maybe I've been here before
I know this room, I've walked this floor
I used to live alone before I knew you
I've seen your flag on the marble arch
Love is not a victory march
It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
There was a time you let me know
What's really going on below
But now you never show it to me, do you
I remember when I moved in you
The holy dove was moving too
And every breath we drew was Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Maybe there's a God above
And all I ever learned from love
Was how to shoot at someone who outdrew you
It's not a cry you can hear at night
It's not somebody who's seen the light
It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
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First of all, this is a beautifully deep and haunting song. The simple chorus, singing Hallelujah repeatedly does what music does best: speaks straight to the soul!
There are several things that really make this one of my favorite songs.
The biblical imagery in the first couple of verses are amazing! The music echos and embodies the words and story of young David the musician captivating his audience with his music, which is what this song does to me. You also have the young innocent David in the first verse juxtaposed to the story of David and Bathsheba in the second verse. The purity of David's music and praise is in stark contrast to the lust-driven account of the man's failure to overcome his primal desires.
Also in the second verse is found reference to the Greed-driven exploitation (if you read the story, she used her sexuality to her benefit) of Sampson by Delilah.
The refrain changes as the perspective (and I would argue the time and characters as well) changes. Again, a haunting and realistic account of a relationship. The imagery once again is vivid as the artist's perspective of the relationship shows that it has now become a "cold and broken hallelujah". The most devastating lines to me are:
Maybe there's a God above
And all I ever learned from love
Was how to shoot at someone who outdrew you
What kind of love is this? The reference to God and doubt in the same reference as this failed love is no accident. The love that this person has experienced is no longer beautiful. It's no longer sacred. It's no longer holy! It began as something beyond words, and digressed into a "cold and broken hallelujah".
Rob Bell says that everything is spiritual. The Jews had (and most still don't have) no understanding of a dualistic life. He says, "if you were to ask Jesus how his spiritual life was going, he would be like, 'uh... what other life is there?' We're created spiritual. If you're alive, if you're human, then YOU ARE SPIRITUAL!" (Everything is Spiritual Tour on DVD).
Everything is Spiritual! Everything is made by God. Everything in that sense is Sacred and Holy. Love is sacred. Relationships (both friendships and lovers) are sacred. Worship is the attitude in which you approach life. It is being holistic about loving God and loving neighbor in everything you do. It is acknowledging that EVERYTHING is spiritual, not just in word or thought, but by your actions!
Everything is spiritual. Being spiritual means being worshipful. Worship is praise. Praise is Hallelujah! Everything is/can/should be an act of worship and praise. Love as an act of worship. conversation as an act of worship. Playing sports, hanging out, eating a meal together; all acts of worship. Love is worship. Relationships are worship. Yes, even sex is worship, because God created it and called all he created "good".
But when something sacred is used to hurt, to manipulate, or used for selfish gain it becomes warped in it's created purpose. It becomes stained, tainted, "cold and broken". When "love" harms others, it becomes a "cold and broken hallelujah"! There are so many times where we use love to hurt others.
Frederick Buechner says that, "sometimes love is doing something for someone when they need that thing done, and sometimes it is simply leaving them alone." What may seem like the "obvious" "loving" thing to do, may not always be the case. What is loving to us, may in fact be hurtful to someone else.
I think about this when I see protesters and street preachers tearing down a person that just gave a wonderful presentation that could lead many people present at that conference to God simply because they did not agree with everything that they "know" about God and that person's theology. I recently heard a speaker who talked about the reconciliation that God offers and how God is not angry with us. We were encouraged to let go fo the things that we allow to hold us down, that we no longer have to "appease the gods" by punshing ourselves. There were people there who needed to hear that they were free from the gods of expectation, glory, approval, wealth, etc... I'm sure that this message was healing, refreshing, living water that they needed to hear. God is not angry with you, he loves you. Yet as we left there were protesters and a street preacher yelling that indeed God was angry with us! (see pic below)
People professing to be Christians who lash out hatefully at those who are homosexual, choose to have an abortion, believe in differing theologies, are of a differing ethnicity/religion/denomination; all using the name of the loving God; create a "cold and broken hallelujah".
There are so many ways to distort and destroy the sacredness of what god has bestowed upon us. Yet, in the name of religion, faith, and Christ, we continue to do that.
Everything is spiritual!
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Tuesday, November 27, 2007
The Matrix Trilogy: ASBO Style
Maybe Since LIfeway Has Noticed, Churches Will Too!
Seven in 10 Protestants ages 18 to 30 — both evangelical and mainline — who went to church regularly in high school said they quit attending by age 23, according to the survey by LifeWay Research. And 34% of those said they had not returned, even sporadically, by age 30. That means about one in four Protestant young people have left the church.
Seven in 10 Protestants ages 18 to 30 — both evangelical and mainline — who went to church regularly in high school said they quit attending by age 23, according to the survey by LifeWay Research. And 34% of those said they had not returned, even sporadically, by age 30. That means about one in four Protestant young people have left the church.
"This is sobering news that the church needs to change the way it does ministry," says Ed Stetzer, director of Nashville-based LifeWay Research, which is affiliated with the publishing arm of the Southern Baptist Convention.
Among dropouts, nearly all (97%) cited life changes, such as a move. Most (58%) were unhappy with the people or pastor at church. More than half (52%) had religious, ethical or political reasons for quitting.
Dropouts were more than twice as likely than those who continued attending church to describe church members as judgmental (51% for dropouts, 24% for those who stayed), hypocritical (44% vs. 20%) or insincere (41% vs. 19%)
"Too many youth groups are holding tanks with pizza. There's no life transformation taking place," Stetzer says. "People are looking for a faith that can change them and to be a part of changing the world."
These findings fit with findings by other experts.
"Unless religious leaders take younger adults more seriously, the future of American religion is in doubt," says Princeton sociologist Robert Wuthnow in After the Baby Boomers, due in stores in September.
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Also in the fall edition of Leadership Journal (put out by affiliate Christianity Today), There is an article on a similar survey that Leadership has done. The article, entitled "5 Kinds of Christians", outlines 5 categories of those that label themselves as Christians in America. I think that their findings are interesting. Amazingly enough, each category (5) makes up 1/5th of all Christians surveyed. I find the equal distribution in their finding noteworthy.
The labels are as follows:
ACTIVE CHRISTIANS (19%)--believe salvation comes through Christ, committed churchgoers, bible readers, accepted leadership positions [in their churches], feel obligated to share their faith (or at least 79% out of this 19% do so).
PROFESSING CHRISTIANS (20%)-- believe salvation comes through Christ, focus on personal relationship with God/Christ, Similar beliefs to "active Christians" with different actions, less involved with ch.-both attending and serving, less committed to bible reading and sharing of faith.
LITURGICAL CHRISTIANS (16%)-- Predominantly Catholic and Lutheran. Regular churchgoers. high level of spiritual activity , mostly expressed by serving in ch. and/or local community. Recognize authority of ch. (this last statement is a reaction to the growing distrust of young/postmodern people in all institutions and the authority modernity gave them).
PRIVATE CHRISTIANS (24%)-- Largest and youngest segment. Believe in God and doing good things. Own a bible, don't read it. Spiritual interest, but not within ch. context. Only 1/3 attend churches at all. Almost none are church leaders.
CULTURAL CHRISTIANS (21%)-- little outward religious behavior or attitudes. God aware, but little personal involvement with God. Do not view Christ as essential to salvation. Affirm many ways to God. Favor universality theology (the article never distinguishes what they mean by this. This word (even here on my blog by others) has been thrown around in the Christian realm as if it has a singular definition, when in fact the world definition is very diverse. see Universalism (disambiguous), and Universalism (religion and theology). I believe the definition they are using here (which is not a precise definition, but the common Christian usage) is that they don't believe that Christ is the ONLY way to heaven).
"When Leadership Mag. discussed these results with "leading pastors and religious experts" (although who they are and how these people obtain the "leading" and "expert" titles is left unexplored?), 3 critical issues emerged:
1) the local church is no longer considered the only outlet for spiritual growth. 2)Churches must develop relational- and community-oriented outreach.3)lap people have to be better equipped to be God's ambassadors."
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May I say "DUH?" Is this not what we "young people" have been telling churches for a while? Again, see past blog post above. I personally find these results a little inaccurate. Perhaps not in their percentages, but in their labels and application of the labels. I'm sure that many of the points in those titles are accurate, but the viewpoint is still from the inside (of the institutional ch.) out, not the other way around. The biasness needs to be taken into account. Obviously you can see in the article that the "Active Christian" category is the preferred goal, and I agree that Christians should be more active, but does being an "Active Christian" mean being ALL of the sub-points presented in that category?
Just some things to point out having been in both the "inside" and the "outside":
1) Overemphasis in church involvement as being a definition of a "good Christian". One of the reasons that many younger people are not involved with the local church is because they cannot find a church in their area that will meet their needs. Why go to church if it isn't feeding you spiritually where you are? See the beginning article and how many people view churches/Christians (as well as my second blog post listed above for another survey), which is not a positive image for the churches. Many times young people depart from churches or just never go because of their perception of Christians and churches. Unfortunately, there are so many churches and Christians that maintain the stated perceptions that it keeps people from even seeking out the churches and communities that will feed them spiritually. I propose that some of these non-churchgoers are looking for "alternative communities" that are spiritual and perhaps labeled Christian/Christ-followers but refuse to label themselves as a "church" because of the negative perception that comes with that label!
2) Underemphasis in missional work as being a marker of a "Committed Christian". The "Active Christian" is said to be a "committed churchgoer", "bible-reader" and "faith-sharer". What's missing? Is showing up in the pews 50/52 Sundays the REAL marker of a "good Christian"? Is a daily devotional an ACCURATE way to measure a "good Christian"? What about the fruit that one bears? No mention of that in the "Active Christian", and, in fact, it seems to be replaced with "leadership positions". So being a Sunday School teacher that shows up every Sunday is a better Christian than the person that misses church one Sunday a month because they volunteer at a soup kitchen? What about those who are actively involved with social justice issues, who spend their whole weekend writing a letter to their congressman on behalf of liberation and poverty issues? What about those that refuse to tithe to their churches because they don't like the 80%/20% ratio (80% of all tithing goes towards church maintenance and 20% goes outside of the church for missions)? Instead they spend their energy and their money helping those with HIV/Aids?
Don't misunderstand me. I believe that being an active part of a healthy and active community (church in the purest understanding of the concept) is vital. Perhaps we've lost some of the aspects and importance of community vitality in modernity's emphasis on the personal! A subject for another time, but I wanted to make that clear.
Maybe it's just me, but I think it's time to reexamine how we measure what makes someone a good Christ-follower and what doesn't. Numbers, attendance records, and not missing a personal morning devotional are all terrible markers of measurement for churches. Yet this is still the markers that many churches and Christians use to measure "success" (notice I didn't say "measure spiritual growth) and use this criteria to label individuals! Maybe there-in lies a portion of the problem! Labeling people... seems like I wrote something about that too!
Anyway, Just thought I would share these findings with anyone who reads. I'd love to hear your thoughts on these findings and this post!
Monday, November 26, 2007
Ode to Consumerism and Vanity :P
Friday, November 23, 2007
I'm Gonna Celebrate Being Alive
Sorry about the random pictures. The only copy of this song on YouTube I could find where you could really hear the words.
Blessed-Brett Dennen
I welcome the sun
The clouds and rain
The wind that sweeps the sky clean and lets the sun shine again
This is the most magnificent life has ever been
Here is heaven and earth and the brilliant sky in between
Blessed is this life and I'm going to celebrate being alive
I dwell in the darkness
I let in the light
I sleep in the afternoon and become the noise in the night
I trespass in temptation suffer in sacrifice
But I awake each day with the new sunrise.
Blessed is this life oh, and I'm gonna celebrate being alive
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One of the comments under this video on YouTube:
"this song makes me truly love the world and gives me the knowledge that i am something great and becoming greater by the moment thanks to Brett ...."
I know I am blessed, as I looked at my wife, and saw a lot of family today. I think about all of them and my friends who have stood by me through all the crap that I've been through in my last church, and the uncertainty of tomorrow, but I am still thankful! I celebrate being alive! I'm hopeful! I'm loving life and loving God!!!!! As the person above states, I celebrate in the knowledge that God has made me into "something great (for him/in his eyes), and becoming greater by the moment...." because of Him!
Yet in my blessed state...I can't help but think of all the people who have little or nothing to be thankful for today. So I ask myself this question: "what will I do so that at least one person next year who does not feel blessed, will be able to feel what I feel on this Thanksgiving day? How will I help them celebrate Thanksgiving and be blessed by this time next year?"
To modify the Spider-Man mantra; with great blessings comes an even greater responsibility to bless others!
Share and share alike!
Do unto others...
"What you have done unto the least of these, you have done unto me."
Celebrate being blessed today... Share that blessing wherever and whenever you can!
Happy Thanksgiving!!!
Monday, November 19, 2007
Man...I Need to Carpool....Somewhere!
I want OnStar for times just like these!
Saturday, November 17, 2007
Split-Screen Sadness
I'm copying it here, but please check out her blog because I'm stealing from her what she stole from Bishop Spong:)
Friday, November 16, 2007
"Jesus-Still Too Radical?"
This picture has been getting some interesting reactions both online and off. Commissioned by Heavenly Sanctuary for their "Good News Tour". This painting was used on promotional posters with various sayings, and caused not only negative net reaction, but also out-right protests! My fav. saying (thus the title) on a poster is "Jesus-Still Too Radical?".
Obviously people don't like the idea of Christ washing Osama Bin Laden's feet like he did in humility and servitude for his disciples (even Judas who he predicts will betray him in the next section....hmmmmm!!!???). Some people I have showed this to have found it just as interesting (and I'm sure purposeful) that Christ will or has already washed President Bush's feet being how controversial he and this war is.
I personally applaud this painting! I think it speaks in a language that is hard to swallow, although the message is profound!
You can read more about the painting and an opinion over at Greg Boyd's Blog.
What are your thoughts?
Thursday, November 15, 2007
A Snake In The Garden
I had an interesting experience yesterday on my second lap of the 2 mile loop around the lake. I had my headphones in walking speedily listening to some podcasts when I see a man of middle-eastern Descent holding up his hand for me to stop on the narrow path. I was extremely confuse, but my nice new headphones for my iPhone blotted out what he was saying. So, I stopped, hit pause, and popped my earphones out.
As I did so I looked down to see why he was getting me to stop. In front of me on the dead center of the path was a snake. This wasn't the first time I've seen a snake on the path, but it was the first time that the pattern of the snake rendered it almost invisible on the path. Had it not been for this nice guy stopping me, I might have stepped on it, and perhaps it would have responded in kind!
Now, I insert here that snakes are something I fear! But the guy quietly led me behind the snake. And there we stood, directly behind the snake staring at it while it sat there on the hard pavement trying to draw warmth in the cooling dusk. The man asked, "do you think If i put my bottle (green tea) down in front of the snake people will see it and not miss the snake in front of them?" I thought that was a fantastic idea, so he put it down and we watched to see if it would help and to warn fellow runners. We then began a short discussion! Here is the conversation that ensued:
Dude: See the snake is harmless if you walk behind and keep your distance.
Me: I see, actually, although I have a fear of snakes, but standing here with you looking at it, it actually is quite beautiful.
Dude: Yes, it is beautiful because God made it.
Me: (with a smile) I completely agree.... I've seen snakes here before and never thought of them that way because of my fear. But you know, that's the reason I always come to the lake to exercise. Esp. this time of year, I love seeing the beauty of God's creation around this lake.
Dude: Yes, that's why we bring our child (to which he points to his wife pushing a stroller with a small child further down the path). We show him the colors of the leaves and the birds (ducks, swans, and 2 herring inhabit the area), and tell him that Allah is found in all of them.
Me: You're right, when I'm here I really see and feel God, I'm sure your child will cherish these memories of your walks one day.
We stand in silence for a couple of seconds as the snake decides he's bored with scaring the locals and slithers off to wherever snakes go in the night around the lake. We looked at each other smiled politely as I thanked. I wished him well as he rejoined his wife and continued their route in the opposite direction of me around the lake. As I watched them go I said a prayer to God:
"Lord, thank you for your beauty and presence in your creation. Thank you for these experiences to connect with you and with my brother whom you've also created. Thank you for using something as ordinary as the lake I run/walk around all the time, a snake, and a conversation that I wouldn't have had if the snake hadn't been there, to teach me more about you! I love you God!"
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It's All In The Way You Read It
The Great Divorce
Nothing Lasts Forever--Maroon 5
It is so easy to see
Dysfunction between you and me
We must free up these tired souls
Before the sadness kills us both
I tried and tried to let you know
I love you but I'm letting go
It may not last but I don't know
Just don't know
If you don't know
Then you can't care
And you show up
But you're not there
But I'm waiting
And you want to
Still afraid that I will desert you
Everyday
With every worthless word we get more far away
The distance between us makes it so hard to stay
But nothing lasts forever, but be honest babe
It hurts but it may be the only way
A bed that's warm with memories
Can heal us temporarily
The misbehaving only makes
The ditch between us so damn deep
Built a wall around my heart
I’ll never let it fall apart
But strangely I wish secretly
It would fall down while I'm asleep
If you don't know
Then you can't care
And you show up
But you're not there
But I'm waiting
And you want to
Still afraid that I will desert you, babe
Everyday
With every worthless word we get more far away
The distance between us makes it so hard to stay
But nothing lasts forever, but be honest babe
It hurts but it may be the only way
Tough we have not hit the ground
It doesn't mean we're not still falling,
Oh I want so bad to pick you up
But you're still too reluctant to accept my help
What a shame, I hope you find somewhere to place the blame
But until then the fact remains
Everyday
With every worthless word we get more far away
The distance between us makes you so hard to stay
Nothing lasts forever, but be honest babe
It hurts but it may be the only way
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I've been having a LOT of conversations with MANY people that are feeling more and more estranged from the Church. Some have already divorced the mainline Church, and some are still in the Church and are trying to fight this feeling that the Church isn't ministering to them anymore, and neither is it giving them the opportunities to live out their faith as they now are understanding it. This latter group of people honestly LOVE the Church. Both groups of people LOVE GOD! But it seems that I meet a new person that falls into one of these 2 categories.
What's happening seems to be that churches frustrate and hurt these people that are "emerging" into a new understanding of their faith and responsibility to that faith. However, they are finding their church less and less understanding of these people and try to fill these people's needs with the same old approaches. The lack of understanding on the Church's part combined with the frustration (on both sides) because neither party can seem to help each other is leading to a "great divorce" in the mainstream church.
Don't get me wrong, for the most part, those that have been in the Church DON'T want to leave. They would much rather help the Church understand their "emergence" and allow the Church to continue to be the outlet for their exploration, understanding, worship, and missions. But many churches (that means there are some that are succeeding in transitioning to minister to these people) end up alienating these people and pushing them out unintentionally (although the intentional pushing out happens also). At the same time, these people can get so frustrated at the slowness or lack of change within their beloved churches and willingly depart. I will admit that some probably give up too soon, but they are leaving nonetheless.
Thus enter the song above. The idea that (giving both parties the benefit of the doubt that they are both trying, yet still not succeeding) they are forcing a relationship that can't survive. so the idea becomes:
With every worthless word we get more far away
The distance between us makes it so hard to stay
But nothing lasts forever, but be honest
It hurts but it may be the only way
The relationship is ripe with memories of what once was between the two, but sadly no new good memories are being created. The person has built a wall around their heart because they are tired of being hurt and having the feeling of personal worthlessness that they've experienced more and more frequently. They dream every night of their wall breaking down and allowing their love (the Ch.) back in. The relationship on both sides has become dysfunctional, both souls are being stressed and burnt-out by this relationship, and usually if the "great divorce" doesn't happen (initiated by either side), then the sadness can kill them both! (all pulled from the lyrics above).
This is what's happening before our eyes. This is why so many people feel disenfranchised by the Church. I post this to show that it's not always (but sometimes it is) a case of intentional estrangement, but rather a hard decision by one or both parties based on the love that was once there! I challenge Churches not to let these people go! They (most of them anyway) love you so much that they will do anything to help you minister to them and those like them. Yes, their ideas may be alien to you, but if they are ignored more and more, they will give up and leave.
And I know that for every 1 person that leaves there are at least 5 more struggling with the same thoughts that no one is publicly addressing, because these people usually just disappear. Are there one day and gone the next. Why? Because if the Church initiates the divorce, they don't want to look bad in the eyes of their other congregants and bring attention to the problem within their pews. And if it is the initiation of the individual/group who is tired of working to save the relationship that seems one-sided (although it often is), they depart quietly so not to hurt the church that they love dearly!
Just something to think on! It tears me up that this "great divorce" is taking place, and it saddens me even more to know that it becomes a more common reality every day!
"Tough we have not hit the ground
It doesn't mean we're not still falling,
Oh I want so bad to pick you up
But you're still too reluctant to accept my help
What a shame, I hope you find somewhere to place the blame"
Tuesday, November 13, 2007
Looking Acceptance, But will Settle for Tolerance....
"I don't want you to be offended by that." Well, then just don't say it!
New Rule: think before you speak....I know it will take a while to sink in since I just made that one up off the top of my head!
I think Jeff's comment on Tripp's blog (click on above link for the original post and comment) is getting at something!!!!!!
A New Christian Paradox: The Christian Athiest
All I have to say is, "Mr. McLaren, I too (like Tripp) have been thinking the same things! Thank you for always being there to put into words the thoughts trapped inside my head!"
Check Your Brain At The Door
Monday, November 12, 2007
God Put A Smile Upon Your Face
I was listening to this song the other day when some of the lyrics jumped out at me. I prob. wouldn't have noticed as much if the conversation hadn't been going on about Heaven, afterlife, Christ as the only way, etc... on THIS POST a little ways back.
God Put A Smile Upon My Face--Coldplay
Where do we go nobody knows
I’ve gotta’ say I’m on my way down
God give me style and give me grace
God put a smile upon my face
Where do we go to draw the line
I’ve gotta’ say I’ve wasted all your time, honey honey
Where do I go to fall from grace
God put a smile upon your face,
yeah
Now when you work it out I’m worse than you
Yeah when you work it out I want it too
Now when you work out where to draw the line
Your guess is as good as mine
Where do we go nobody knows
Don’t ever say you’re on your way down,
when God gave you style and gave you grace
And put a smile upon your face, oh yeah
Now when you work it out I’m worse than you
Yeah when you work it out I want it too
Now when you work out where to draw the line
Your guess is as good as mine
It’s as good as mine
It’s as good as mine
It’s as good as mine
Where do we go nobody knows
Don’t ever say you’re on your way down, w
hen God gave you style and gave you grace
And put a smile upon your face
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An interesting song and an interesting Video. I don't think that eternity is the main theme here, but is def. a possible interpretation. either way some of what has been said echos in this song. I've italicized those lyrics above.
It echoed this idea of God's love and grace. I also chose to highlight the "It's as good as mine repeat," because of two types of usage. we say it in a lot of ways semi-sarcastically with as another way of saying "we just don't know". However, It can also be said with emphasis on the "IS" part: "your guess IS as good as mine (is).
The reality is that NO one knows for certain what happens after this life is over. For Christians, that's where faith plays a huge role. We can't guarantee ANYTHING for anyone after this life, but we can share the HOPE we have. So we can say "your guess is as good as mine" in 2 ways:
1) meaning we really don't know
2) that your understanding and belief is as good as mine is, since we don't really know.
This is not a statement of "universalist belief" as some are trying to call me, but a sincere statement of the reality of life, no one really, truly knows and without a doubt has the EXACT and ONLY answer. Anyone who claims to is fooling not only others, but esp. themselves.
I HOPE that there is a heaven and an afterlife. I BELIEVE there is a heaven and an afterlife. But do I KNOW there is a heaven and an afterlife? Well...that would kind-of render the first two statements pointless wouldn't it.
Another thing that someone said along these lines that has had me thinking. My good friend Trace made a statement the other night in our discussion group about eternity and "living a way of truth and life." He said, "I can't PROMISE anyone eternity, but I can work to promise them a better life now." He wasn't saying that he doesn't believe in eternity (he does), and he wasn't saying we shouldn't spread that part of the "good news". Rather, he was being emphatic about our focus being on what we CAN do above what we Can't do. Even if we try to tell people about Christ, we CAN'T make them want to follow him. We can't make them choose a better way to live! But we can GIVE them a better life by fulfilling our responsibility in this world to others.
Just a thought I wanted to share.
I believe that God put a smile on my face. :)
In Repair (Pt. 6): Only The Scars Remain
Thursday, November 08, 2007
The Label Lament
Give Me Love Over, Live Over This
This song is not a song critiquing politics (hence the Politik title), rather it narrates the need we have to be real, and to encounter real people, not those who try to be who everyone else wants them to be (playing politics).
Politik--Coldplay
Look at the earth from outer space
Everyone must find a place
Give me time and give me space
Give me real don't give me fake
Give me strength, reserve control
Give me heart and give me soul
Give me time, give us a kiss
Tell me your own politik
And open up your eyes,
open up your eyes,
open up your eyes,
open up your eyes
Give me one 'cause one is best
In confusion, confidence
Give me peace of mind and trust
Don't forget the rest us
Give me strength, reserve control
Give me heart and give me soul
Wounds that heal and cracks that fix
Tell me your own politik
And open up your eyes,
open up your eyes,
open up your eyes,
open up your eyes
Just open up your eyes
But give me love over,
love over, love over this
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In a live version I have he substitutes the last phrase to say:
"give love over, live over this."
live= real
I like both the original and the additional
Highlighted are the lyrics that resound most within me!
Something To Wrap Your Head Around
In war, truth is the first casualty.
~Aeschylus
When everything gets answered, it's fake. The mystery IS the truth."
--Sean Penn
And when you're looking for your freedom
(Nobody seems to care)
And you can't find the door
(Can't find it anywhere)
When there's nothing to believe in
Still you're coming back, you're running back
You're coming back for more
So put me on a highway
And show me a sign
And take it to the limit one more time
--The Eagles
I'm not afraid of anything in this world
There's nothing you can throw at me that I haven't already heard
I'm just trying to find a decent melody
A song that I can sing in my own company
-U2
The heresy of one age becomes the orthodoxy of the next.
--Hellen Keller
Religion is the recognition of all our duties as divine commands.
--Immanuel Kant
Enjoy, also NOTE, that there is a change in my previous post, the owner of the blog i was referring to ok'd me linking his blog. Read his story, I know he would love to hear your thoughts.
"Puff The Magic Jesus"
I'm not a big fan of "Christian artists" (those fluffy lyricists with mundane musical abilities under a "Christian" label), UNLESS they have the gall to actually challenge the Church, Faith, Society, and the "status quo". Such like John Reuben:
"What About them"
A blogger buddy: Don't Believe Anything I say, uses a quote from this song when talking about how the Church has hurt him. I give the whole song in context in the embedded vid. above, but will highlight the portion of the song that he highlights because it rings true in my life. (BTW, If you listen to the song, you'll see where my title comes from...I am no way degrading the Jesus I follow!!!!!! But I'll leave the Interpretation of what Reuben means by it up to you!)
"What a prosperous, wondrous place
Remember to say grace before we scrape our plates
And ignore the crying outside the door sure
You’ll pray for their burdens but you don’t want to make it yours
Thin lines divide but there’s a world of difference
So crawl back into your happy existence and
feel the bliss of ignorance keep you warm"
-John Reuben
Wednesday, November 07, 2007
These Tickets Are Hard To Get!
or "Faith From An Ape" (see Later Section)
So, God Tube has become one of my new fav. sites to find some of the crazy things Christians put up. I know a lot of the stuff has good intentions, and many of the videos can be really inspiring. But there are some (like the one I posted on U2) that are just crazy, and really show how ignorant some people can be. I mean that in the most academic sense of the word, and don't hold the person accountable who posted it (they were being creative and sharing what they thought which they have every right to do), but more so the lack of education that happens in the our churches. Not teaching people to think critically= ignorance in the members.
I found this interesting video from Oprah where a couple of people try to "convert" Oprah's beliefs/thoughts on her own program by arguing with her. Interesting technique! I'm sure she changed!
Check it out:
NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH OPRAH OR ANY OF THE OTHER VIEWS STATED, I AM SIMPLY DISPLAYING SOMETHING INTERESTING AND WOULD LOVE FEEDBACK. Of course I've heard these Christian arguments before, but Oprah makes some good points because many people are ASKING those EXACT same questions, and this is a great example of HOW Christians respond to those questions. Not with discussion, but with argument. REALLY? How often does that work?
Now Oprah is one of my wife's fav. people, and I respect her for many reasons. One being that she has done more good in our world than many Christians have even thought about doing! An interesting side note: Fox News reported on this subject today...an interesting article/development...worth the read.
Although not a hero of mine, Oprah plugs one of my fav. books: Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. This book WILL mess with your head if you don't throw it down after the first couple of chapters. Yes the premise of a teaching/talking gorilla seems ridiculous, but there is a LOT of reasoning behind his choice of that as the main Character. If you haven't read the book, I highly suggest it!
Oprah states that one of the things that Quinn points out is the mistake of believing that there is only "one way". This book comes at life from an evolutionary psychological standpoint. It asks a LOT bigger questions that that. It asks the mother of all questions...what if we aren't the apex of creation? I mean we are the apex of evolution right now, but what if something comes next? What if we are where the Jellyfish was at one point: the apex of evolution until something evolved to surpass it. EVERYTHING we know, do, think, and believe is all dependant on the idea that humanity is the apex of creation and that everything was made for us. What if that weren't true (meaning in line with Reality)? What would change?
Anyway, I can't do the book justice, and am not promoting my beliefs, but stating that I think Quinn raises some great philosophical ideas that makes a person think. To me personally, it says a lot about our place and responsibility to the environment...but that's for another post.
So...some things to think about. How do we approach people who have questions/ different ideas on faith and beliefs? Is the way in which we approach them in line with our own beliefs (i.e. love God, love neighbor)? Why are Christians so scared of having real conversations! This is just ONE reason that mainstream churches are not reaching postmodern people; why there is a gap between the youth group and the baby-boomers in their pews!
leave your feedback, I'd love to hear ANY thoughts about the video, book, or something mentioned in this post.
Tuesday, November 06, 2007
We Didn't Start the Fire
I really like this video version because of 1) the quotes (read them all and think on them), and 2) because it uses a lot of my favorite Pulitzer photography.
This is what postmodern living is like! It's a reaction to the modern worldview. In postmodern Christianity, it is an attempt to reclaim what was lost in modernity's systematic, binary, and boxed-in thinking. It's an attempt to reclaim authentic faith, and get past the internal battle that rages within us (yes I intentionally use militant like language because it is an appropriate metaphor for this context, and is not insensitive because we are talking about something within ourselves, not waging war on others). To try and get beyond what we've always been taught to believe so that we can see Christ anew. Postmodern Christian leaders are being criticized left and right, when all they are trying to do is free themselves and others to reexamine our faith. Postmodern Christianity, and those that are a part of it, have been under attack by many others of the same faith, but remember, "we didn't start the fire"...we are just trying to extinguish the flames before they totally ruin our faith in religion and Christianity!
Just something to think on.
In Repair (Pt. 5): Don't Look Back In Anger
I've been doing a lot of soul-searching in the last couple of months. Being ejected from a church that you had fallen in love with will do that to you. As mentioned in previous posts of this series (scroll down to begin the series of "In Repair"), I have no anger towards the church that I was at (99% of the people had no clue what really happened (and probably still don't)), towards the few people that caused the problem because of ego or power or whatever the underlying suppressed need was that drove them, and not towards the pastor who refused to stand up for what was right and just, and instead take the easier and possibly safer road out.
I can't say that I've completely healed from this experience, but I think I'm in somewhat of a better place. Not a better place than the church I was in, it was a good church with good people, but a better place spiritually. As any who have read my blog have seen, this event has opened up a whole world of questions and frustration with the Church (the universal Church) as a whole that I had suppressed because I believed in the goodness of people, and in the goodness of the mainstream Church. That's not to say I don't believe that now, but I want to admit something!
I have trust issues now. Issues that I didn't have before. I have a fear of the mainstream Church because I know (not just from my last experience but from many years of being in mainstream churches) that many times the people care more about keeping the status quo of their traditions than they are about doing new things to reach people that they are no longer being effective towards. I know change is hard, but it is indeed necessary!
More than that, I have trust issues with pastors. I'm not the only one who has this because of a similar situation. As I mentioned, a friend told me soon after I was asked to leave my last church, that, "Justin, you can't trust pastors! They are always ego driven and will always choose to act out of self-preservation than out of doing what's right." Again I say that this is the saddest statement I've ever heard, and there are only a few pastors that I have met that don't fall into this category! So there are exceptions to that rule, but I have to admit that the majority of pastors I've met DO fall into this category! So, yeah, I have a little bit of a trust issue with pastors. Can you blame me?
But that's not just coming from someone who has been in the ministry, but many people who have left the mainstream Church have felt these same things. I guess my problem is that I have always been more optimistic than most of my postmodern companions. This doesn't mean that I won't give pastors I meet the benefit of the doubt, but it DOES mean I will be on my guard a lot more than I have been. That's part of the postmodern anti-institutional mindset: people in positions of power no longer automatically deserve your trust. In fact, it's just the opposite: that position of power makes you not trustworthy in the eyes of those who distrust institutions, esp. the institution of the Church. So trust and to a degree respect has to be EARNED... which from a ministerial POV is not a bad thing... we should have had this attitude anyway!
So I said I'm in a better place... well what I mean by that, is even though I have many questions and a few hang-ups, This time in the wilderness has allowed me to finally DO many things that I've only thought about. I, along with a few other people, began a group that is ministering to those that the Church is missing. The postmodern people. I feel like I'm doing true ministry where they are and creating something that no one else (or at least very few people) are creating. Our group looks nothing like a church, and that's fine we aren't a church in the typical sense. But we CAN be church for those that need us to be church for them.
I'm also looking at opportunities career-wise that I would never consider before I came into this time and place in my life. I don't want to tip my hand so I'll leave it ambiguous, but I'm exploring any and all avenues of what the "next step" should or could be. That's not to say I won't get back into the mainstream Church. There are churches out there that have a heart for doing what God calls them to do. That may be a place I want to be! But no matter where God takes me, I rest assured that I'm in his hands. I am healing nicely, the scab is gone and only scars remain... but no anger!
I am not angry at anyone. I DO want closure and some honesty from some people, and eventually I think that time will come. But I can only move forward in my life, not "look back in anger". And since I've never once named the church or the people involved in this incident, I will refer to them/the incident as "Sally". Sally, the above Oasis song is dedicated to you, and also represents the place I am now! I in now way mean this song sarcastically, just honestly it provoked thoughts within me having not heard it in a long time! Sally, you don't know how much I wish things had been different with you, but it is what it is, and I am where I am...following my journey wherever it leads!
Don't Look Back In Anger--Oasis
Slip inside the eye of your mind
Don't you know you might find
A better place to play
You said that you'd never been
But all the things that you've seen
Will slowly fade away
So I start a revolution from my bed
'Cause you said the brains I had went to my head
Step outside the summertime's in bloom
Stand up beside the fireplace
Take that look from off your face
You ain't ever gonna burn my heart out
And so Sally can wait,
she knows it's too late as we're walking on by
Her soul slides away,
but don't look back in anger
I heard you say
Take me to the place where you go
Where nobody knows,
if it's night or day.
Please don't put your life in the hands
Of a Rock 'n Roll band
Who'll throw it all away
I'm gonna start the revolution from my bed
'Cos you said the brains I had went to my head
Step outside cos summertime's in bloom
Stand up beside the fireplace
Take that look from off your face
Cos you ain't ever gonna burn my heart out
So Sally can wait, she knows it's too late as we're walking on by
Her soul slides away, but don't look back in anger
I heard you say.
At least not today.